I'd rather you hate me for being honest,
 than love me for living a lie.

(This page is under major construction, so please bear with me. This will be my "coming out" page when it is finished.)

 

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I will be totally revamping this page in the future, but for now I will be pasting some articles here for you to read. None of these were written by me, nor do they necessarily reflect my thoughts and opinions. I have simply pasted them here for thought and reflection.

A great site for reflection: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jclove/tour/3/howto.htm


I have known several people who were "saved" from the "gay lifestyle." Whenever I meet such a person, I always think of the national anthem of Great Britain: "God Save the Queen." In every case, the only thing heterosexual about them is their lip service. Their hair, clothes, mannerisms, attitudes, and window treatments all remain that of a "flaming faggot." If they marry, it is usually to an overweight and desperate woman who seems to be best friends with their "formerly" homosexual husband. So, what are the benefits of being a healed homosexual? The ironic thing is, the people who led him/her to their salvation never trust them. They keep their children away from them, give them very little leadership/responsibility within the congregation. One never knows when a relapse may occur. The United Methodist Church (UMC) has guidelines regarding how "former" homosexuals are to be treated. Things like, "never alone with male children." The UMC social principals say, "homosexuals are people of worth." They later say, "we should all work to not marginalize 'former' homosexuals." So, I guess the message is: "get healed and get away, because we know ya." The last aspect of "healed" homosexuals is that they make their agenda the salvation of every other homosexual they can find. They are constantly on a soap box about it. I've known two types. The first group are people whom I consider friends. They struggle with trying to not give into temptation. They abandon their gay friends (at least those they know about), they can't stand any gray areas, and if they feel the least bit "tempted," they run off to their nearest pastor, Exodus agent, or reparative therapist. The Biblical model for God's healing is that it is once and for all. If anyone can point out a passage that shows someone being healed of anything and then later needing it again, let me know. No one I know who was "healed" of being gay stayed healed for very long. The other group are people whom I don't consider friends. They have assured their healing by isolating themselves from close relationships. They don't look you in the eye (gaydar starts in the eyes), they don't extend the right hand fellowship, and they seem to be terrified of people. This is especially true when they encounter other gay people (healed or not). In my opinion, and this comes from going through the wanting to be healed phase too, is that "healed" homosexuals have accepted a lie and are trying to live a lie. The worse thing is that the life they are trying to live is one tailored to suit people, not God. Genesis 2:25 says: "The man and his wife were both naked and they felt no shame." It seems that Adam and Eve were made in the image of God and they didn't seem to be bothered by their whole being exposed to God nor anyone else. Just a little later in Genesis 3, the serpent comes into the story, Eve and Adam eat the fruit and suddenly know everything God knows (or think they do). The first thing they did was cover themselves and when God came to visit they hid because they were naked. Somehow knowing everything God knows makes "naked" become a bad thing. When God asks where they were, Adam admits that he was "afraid because I was naked, so I hid." God's next question was, "Who told you you were naked?" The tone of God's question suggests to me that there is nothing wrong with being naked. From that point the blame is passed down. Now, I don't claim to know everything about God. I don't think that the serpent knew everything about God. I don't think that Adam and Eve knew everything about God before nor after they ate the fruit. I know I may offend some when I say that I don't think that the Roman Catholic Church knows everything about God. I don't even think that the Southern Baptist Convention, The United Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church USA, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, nor Jimmy Swaggart and their kind knows everything about God, but whenever people allow themselves to eat of their fruit it seems the first thing they feel compelled to do is feel shame and to hide. Fear, shame and deceit sound an awful lot like the characteristics of the "healed" homosexual to me. Someone (a person or people who claim to know everything about God) told them they are going to hell if they don't change and that makes them afraid. They feel ashamed of the person that God made them to be, and they try to deceive the people around them, themselves, and God by living a lie. Like I said earlier, the people who claim to know everything about God know enough to realize there is no such thing as a "healed" homosexual. If so there would not be guidelines like those in the UMC (which indicate that former homosexuals are child molesters looking for a place to happen). God is certainly one to whom a person can't lie. So the only person left to believe the lie of "healed" homosexual, is the "healed" homosexual. I hope they do believe it, because no one else does. Lastly, on the Day of Judgment, I really hope and look forward to hearing God say, "Well done good and faithful servant." I feel bad for those who will hear, "Where are you?" because God won't be impressed by, "I was afraid, so I hid." 


Has Dr. Laura read her Torah?
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13
http://www.nationalpost.com/network.asp?f=000520/295191

Martin S. Cohen
National Post

 
Shaun Walker, The Associated Press
A proponent of Bill 22 displays signs that were modified by protesters of the bill.




People on both sides of the gay-rights debate seem to feel it's important to have the Bible on their side. Dr. Laura Schlessinger is only the most recent example: after being censured by the Canadian Broadcasting Standards Council for characterizing homosexuality as "abnormal" and "aberrant," she responded with an op-ed piece this week in the Globe and Mail in which she justified her approach by noting that, "as an Orthodox Jew, I believe that same-sex sexual behaviour is incompatible with Biblical scripture."

Of course, Dr. Laura is hardly alone in the opinion that the Bible forbids homosexuality. The debate in my home state of California over Proposition 22, which formally prohibits the state from referring to the relationship of two people of the same sex as a marriage, brought similar attitudes to the fore. At one pro-22 rally, I noticed a man and woman flanking a little boy who was holding up a sign that read "Leviticus 18:22". The boy probably thought his sign had something to do with those Austin 3:16 signs they hold up at WWF matches, but his parents' point was clear enough: their opposition to homosexuality wasn't based on emotion or prejudice, but on Scripture.

Once the Bible is mentioned, the debate is almost always about whether Scripture should or should not be allowed to inform public policy. The question of what the Biblical text actually teaches about homosexuality, on the other hand, is rarely -- if ever -- debated or even acknowledged as worthy of prolonged discussion.

Indeed, in a public debate so often marred by hyperbole and overstatement, the notion that the Bible opposes homosexuality functions as one of the few givens that everybody seems to accept.

I write today, then, to question this unquestioned assumption. The more one reads -- and the more carefully one reads -- the handful of passages endlessly cited by those anxious to "prove" the validity of their opinion by citing this or that Biblical teaching about human sexuality, the more clear it becomes that the opinion of Scripture is dramatically more complex -- and far more nuanced -- than people such as Dr. Laura (whom I do not necessarily believe should be censured) seem to realize.

Reading without regard to context, and without sensitivity to the highly specialized vocabulary in the legal texts of the Bible, can only lead to conclusions unwarranted by a closer, more informed -- and ultimately more challenging -- reading of the Biblical text.

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The Torah -- the first five books of the Bible revered by Jews as the word of God and by Christians as the law Jesus said every title of which would outlast Heaven and Earth -- prohibits some form of homosexual activity between men in two closely related verses, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13.

The texts themselves are clear: The verse from chapter 18 reads "You (the masculine singular form of the pronoun) shall not have intercourse with a man in a way analogous to the way men have intercourse with women, for such is an abomination." (The Hebrew is less awkward.)

The verse from chapter 20 offers the same basic law, only at slightly greater length: "Should a man have intercourse with a male in the way analogous to the way men have intercourse with women, both parties have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death and the fault is theirs alone." That sounds clear enough, I suppose. But the matter isn't quite as simple as it seems.

Other than noting that the act in question is an abomination and that it is one of the sins of the Canaanite nations that prompted God to give their land to the Israelites, Scripture does not note what precisely is wrong with male-male intercourse.

It surely has nothing to do with procreational potential. Nowhere in Scripture is there any indication that sexual relations are only permitted when conception may occur. Indeed, the rabbis of classical antiquity interpreted the law not merely to permit sexual relations when conception is impossible (for example, when a woman is pregnant or after menopause) but, at least under some circumstances, to require it.

Nor is there any indication that the act involved is labeled an abomination because it is "unnatural." Just to the contrary -- the underlying assumption of Scripture is that all people are capable of finding all sorts of sexual activities attractive. Indeed, by prohibiting them, Scripture is saying, tacitly but unmistakably, that these are things normal people would normally do if they weren't specifically forbidden by Biblical law. (The obvious parallel here is to the dietary laws. Scripture forbids the ingestion of certain foods not because people would never eat such things, but precisely because some people would.)

There is also no indication the act is forbidden because it is a physical manifestation of homosexual desire. Scripture deals in several places with the desire that motivates sin, forbidding, for example, not only theft, but also the kind of acquisitiveness that leads to stealing. Yet there is no indication that there is something forbidden about being homosexual, merely about doing this single homosexual thing.

Indeed, this explains why the Bible has nothing at all to say about lesbianism. Lesbians are homosexuals, but the specific homosexual deed Scripture is interested in outlawing can only be done by men. To assume that the Biblical legislator was sufficiently naive so as to have been unaware of the phenomenon of female homosexuality, as one occasionally sees asserted, seems far too facile a way of explaining the absence of Biblical legislation regarding lesbians. (Indeed, the legislator was worldly enough to know about almost every variety of incest imaginable and to include not one, but two, prohibitions involving sexual acts with animals. One is directed at men, the other at women -- showing that the lack of reference to lesbianism can hardly be a function of a reticence to discuss female sexuality graphically.)

In fact, there are no references of any sort in the Hebrew Bible to homosexuality or to homosexuals as a class of people. To the contrary -- all the sexual prohibitions presented in Scripture are specifically directed at all the people without the slightest hint that different people fall into different sexual classes.

Here too, the parallel to the dietary laws is instructive: just as the law makes no attempt to classify people into distinct groups based on whether they do or don't find a particular unkosher food appealing, so is there no indication whatsoever in Scripture that the sexual prohibitions of Leviticus are aimed at different groups of people based on whether they can or cannot see the allure in a specific forbidden act.

So while it's true that Scripture prohibits one specific act that homosexual men would naturally find attractive, serving those verses up as proof positive that the Bible loathes homosexuality --while ignoring that almost every single one of the other sins on the list is heterosexual in nature -- is to say the very least, to distort the simple meaning of Scripture.

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The context and vocabulary of both passages in Leviticus suggest that what is problematic about male-male intercourse is that it constitutes an offence, not against nature, but against the laws of purity that are at the heart of Leviticus.

What exactly this system of purity and impurity is all about is hard to state, but the basic idea is that one of the ways of worshiping God is by avoiding contact with certain substances deemed to convey impurity. Mostly these substances are connected somehow to the concept of death -- the corpse is the single greatest conveyor of impurity -- but certain substances deemed somehow to exist on the cusp between the animate and inanimate realms are included as well as prime conveyors of impurity.

Of these, the two most important are the twin stuffs of life: semen and uterine blood.

The ancients, living in a world without microscopes, observed the process of human reproduction and, noting that menstruation stopped when a woman conceived, deduced that the union of these two substances somehow produced life. Capable of producing life, yet not precisely alive, semen and blood were considered possessed of sufficient mana -- if that's the right term -- to render all who came into contact with them impure.

The system is almost byzantine in its intricacy, but the basic concept is easily discernible: the faithful may commune with God, Who is the Life of the Universe, by eschewing any avoidable contact with the realm of death -- called Impurity -- and by purifying themselves after any unavoidable contact.

Leviticus is the great repository of the purity laws within the Hebrew Bible. Its lists of prohibitions (like the lists in chapters 18 and 20) are studded with special catchwords and phrases intended to say almost clearly that what is wrong with the specific things being mentioned is that they offend the system of purity in some specific way.

It is reasonable to assume, I think, that what is wrong with male-male intercourse is that it involves a use of semen that is deemed capable of plunging men into a state of impurity. Nothing less -- and nothing more.

Moderns reading the ancient text will certainly pause at the word "abomination." Occasionally used to mark the special degree to which God finds certain sins (such as swindling customers by using false weights) repulsive, the Hebrew word, toevah, is mostly used in the Hebrew Bible as a technical term to denote particular offences against the laws of purity: those that the casual observer might not recognize until it be too late.

The traditional rabbinic interpretation of the term preserved in the Talmud takes it precisely in this way, as a contraction of the Hebrew words to'eh 'atah bah, meaning "you may err in this."

Yet for all the vehemence the word packs in both languages, most moderns will find the various sins designated with the word toevah not to be in the same category of reprehensibility as the sins that Scripture specifically labels as societal evils, a list which includes idolatry, perjury, disobedience to parent or priest, fornication, kidnaping and adultery.

Scripture has no problem expressing moral outrage at these acts, ordaining death for their perpetrators precisely so that their evil residue be banished from the people's midst. These are evil things, the Bible is saying, and the justice system must therefore work -- even ex post facto -- to erase them from society.

But that is not the language the Bible uses when it forbids male-male intercourse, which is specifically labeled a toevah to indicate that it is an offence against the laws of purity.

And indeed, other sins so designated -- eating non-kosher meat, crossdressing, hiring a medium to raise the dead, bringing a prostitute's wages into the sanctum -- are all things that Scripture is suggesting may appear to be rather innocent peccadillos, but which can actually jeopardize the purity of the person who doesn't avoid them with sufficient vigour.

To summarize the Biblical view of sexual sins, then, we might say that while rape is wrong because it is a repulsive evil, the so-called sins of the Canaanite nations --male homosexual intercourse, bestiality, incest and the use of semen as a votive offering (if that's what the mysterious reference to offering one's seed to the pagan deity Molech is all about, which I think it is) -- are wrong because they will defile those who engage in them, making them impure and thus doomed to a life outside the camp of God.

As far as homosexuality itself goes, I think modern society could learn a lot from the Bible. The notion that all humanity is divided into different sexual camps and that everybody, therefore, almost by definition must fall into one category or the other, is not supported by Scripture. (Even the violent miscreants of Sodom who openly declare their interest in violating Lot's angelic guests are not described as a mob of gay men, just of evil wrongdoers intent on abusing some strangers in the most humiliating way possible.)

The idea that every aspect of people's lives, including their sexual lives, can be fashioned into a conduit leading to God, on the other hand, is the foundation stone on which both the faith of ancient Israel and modern Judaism rest.

Unfortunately, the underlying logic of this code of behaviour-as-worship is lost on those who pluck the prohibition of male-male intercourse out of its context and argue that it is nothing more than a signpost ordering the homosexual faithful to fight down any inclination they might have to be true to their inner selves.

Indeed, one could argue more cogently that by including at least one homosexual act on the list of sexual prohibitions, Scripture is specifically inviting gay men into religious life and telling them that they too can seek God by subjugating their will to the will of God, by renouncing a specific pleasure in which people so inclined would normally have no particular reason not to indulge.

Whether observant gay people today should or shouldn't observe this specific commandment has to do with a lot of things, including how we feel about the old purity laws, with the way those laws have mostly -- but only mostly -- evolved into partial neglect over the long millennia that separate us from the Biblical era, and with many other factors as well.

When all is said and done, individuals are free to consider specific laws of the Bible well-chosen or ill-advised as they see fit, but the basic principle of all Biblical legislation -- that any individual may come into the presence of God through strict fidelity to divine law -- remains intact regardless of whether specific laws do or don't strike moderns as cogent.

Reasonable people will inevitably come to different conclusions about whether the specific prohibition against male-male intercourse should continue to be observed today. But to argue that Scripture means to condemn homosexuality by prohibiting one sole homosexual act is as little reasonable as arguing that Scripture means to condemn heterosexuality by prohibiting a series of heterosexual acts.

When radio hosts such as Dr. Laura cite Biblical passages about homosexual behaviour without any reference to the actual context in which those passages appear in Scripture, they are misleading their listeners and misrepresenting the meaning of the Biblical text.

The detail of Biblical law may seem daunting, but the most basic imperative of Scriptural law is as simple as it is elegant: to invite people into godliness by creating a framework for them to find, and then to preserve, traces of divine governance in every deed they perform, no matter how ordinary, personal or private. This is the real idea -- the inspiring and inclusive idea -- Scripture puts forward in the eighteenth and twentieth chapters of Leviticus.

I lack the expertise to say whether it is really possible for a radio show host to listen to a caller for a few minutes and then instantly diagnose his or her emotional or psychological problems. But that an analogous technique of "instant" Biblical interpretation is never going to capture the innermost meaning of Scripture is self-evident.

Martin S. Cohen is a rabbi in Mission Viejo, California. His latest book, the Hebrew-language Book of Principles for Our Time, was published this spring in Israel.


GUEST COLUMN IN BATTLE CREEK ENQUIRER

by Rev. Gregory Youngchild

Battle Creek Enquirer, June 4, 2000

Small wonder that so many gay men and lesbians find themselves at best wary of and, at worst, outright hostile toward the Christian Church. They’re kept away from what ought to be a place of love, healing and nurture by the gatekeepers who preach the rhetoric of condemnation of their orientation, saying homosexuality is a choice and it’s a sin. I raise a different pastoral Christian voice to speak to those aching and rightly angry people who had come the doors of God’s house in hopes of hearing Good News, but who instead were bashed in their heads and hearts with ignorance-based judgmentalism and human prejudice disguised as revelation. Here’s what I tell them:  

1. What God has created is good, and we are – in our nature, including our sexual orientation – created as we are by God, and so we are good. Diversity must please God, not only in colors and shapes but also in the matter of sexuality. For over 450 species of animals, including humans, exhibit homosexual orientation, even though heterosexuality is yet more widespread. This is not a matter of human sin, still less a Divine Mistake. Clearly it is part of the magnificent intent for creation that variation and difference should persist.

  2. “Do not call ‘unclean’ what I have called ‘clean’…” (Acts 10) was the Word of the Spirit spoken to the church, shattering all its inherited preconceptions about what was and was not acceptable to God. It created a watershed between the old and new understandings about morality, no longer to be based on Law but now on Love –and defining “sin” no longer in terms of rules, regulations and purifying rituals, but now in terms of whether one’s words and deeds were marked by compassion, charity and the absence of judging one another.   

3. You did not choose your sexual orientation. God chose it for you, as both gift and challenge, whether it is homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual. You who are gay are privileged! On only 5-10% of humanity did God bestow your particular gift; only 5-10% are deemed strong enough to bear the challenge. Believe that God did not create you to fall prey to other’s vicious snares of self-doubt, but has profound faith in your innate abilities to bear your special gift with Pride.

  4. So, know your deepest truth and have the courage to live it. If you are not gay, do not live as one who is; if you are not straight, do not live as one who is. To do otherwise is indeed contrary to nature, and a betrayed sexual orientation is an unnatural act. And seek not to change your orientation; seek instead to live it – whatever it may be – as the gift that it actually is. For God who created you as you are also loves you as you are. 

 Live in accord with your God-given nature in a loving way, and indeed “you will find life to be simpler and sweeter.” – Rev. Gregory Youngchild, Pastor, Sign of the Covenant MCC, Battle Creek, www.socmcc.org
[Rev. Youngchild is online at seastar2@home.com ]


Commentary: Having a gay son deepens mystery of others' hatred
Mary Olson

I read Stephen J. Heaney's Aug. 5 counterpoint, "Human sexuality is about biology, not just about love," and felt a familiar nausea. The statements about God's grand plan, the right kind of relationship, the reproductive organ argument, the comparison of homosexuality to a disordered desire or addictive disorder. Yes, those darn homosexuals, trying to get us to dismiss their disorders and say they're all right so they can quit struggling to rectify their lives. The big question is: Even if they wanted to not act on their feelings, what does that mean? That they spend the rest of their lives without a close, committed relationship? Or do they marry someone of the opposite sex, try to live a "normal" life and make their spouse miserable? Or is friendship supposed to be fulfilling enough for them? Would it be for you? Do they accept their homosexuality as a particular struggle God has given them, accept their misery on earth, and comfort themselves with promises of happiness they will one day receive in heaven? I don't understand! My 14-year-old son is gay and every time I read about the Boy Scout controversy, Dr. Laura, church doctrine against performing gay commitment ceremonies, opinions about states that allow gay couples legal marital rights, and so on, it's like someone pounding on me, telling me my son is immoral and deviant and will not have the same rights as the rest of us upstanding citizens. A big part of the problem is that the people who are so down on gays don't personally know any. I don't mean they don't know so-and-so in the office who's gay or haven't seen a gay character on TV. I mean they don't really know a gay person, an individual. If you know an individual, you know there is more to being gay than sex. My son has been called a girl, made fun of, and ostracized most of his life. He's a feminine boy, always preferring My Little Pony and Barbie to sports and trucks. So boys ask him to prove he's really a boy. They threaten to staple his tongue to his chin. In private, the straight boys flirt with him and touch him and try to get him to touch them. He thinks they really like him, until he's once again ostracized in public. He changes for gym class in the office because the other boys stare at him, waiting to see if he can prove he's a boy or whether he makes a move where they can accuse him of looking at them. He spent lunchtime in the school library because no one would let him sit with them. He even got asked to move when he sat at a table alone. I thought maybe my son was gay when he was 3 because of his feminine ways. Then I was angry at myself for that prejudice, knowing that not all gay men are feminine, and why can't a boy like bright colors and girlish toys? When my son told me he was gay at 9, I thought, no way, he's too young to know! Puberty hasn't even hit yet! He just knows he's different and the kids call him a girl and tell him he's a fag so he's just being affected by those taunts. I played baseball with him more. I tried to get him to sign up for sports. I signed him up for karate so he could at least defend himself. I coached him on being more masculine. I called it being more assertive, told him to speak in a gruffer voice, told him not to flail with his hands when he was talking. I hated myself for trying to make him into something he wasn't, shaming him for the things he was, buckling under what society considered "normal" and therefore OK. But I was afraid he might end up beat up someday, maybe even dead. I'm still afraid of those things. When my son at age 12 again told me he was gay, while he was crying and wishing he was dead, I didn't know what to do. I wanted to stop the pain. I wanted to grab all the people in the world who have hurt him personally or through articles like Heaney's counterpoint and drag them into my house and show them the results of their words and actions. Instead, I got my son antidepressants and therapy once a week. The way my son is is the way he is. I can't change him. He's tried to feel attracted to girls but doesn't. Why do people accept other characteristics people are born with? We don't look at anything else in the same way that we look at homosexuality. Suddenly it's about God, and a threat to families and the institute of marriage. Is that because it has to do with sex? I don't get it! People get upset because gays are in their face, having gay pride marches, protesting at the Republican convention. What? Once a year they get to openly walk the streets showing their affection for each other, something we do and take for granted every day? They are tired of being ignored and treated as less than human. They want to have health insurance, to have their partner receive their pension if they die, to have immediate family visitation rights in the hospital. These are all normal, responsible desires, but we won't even allow them that. This is about having legal, human rights. It is not a conspiracy or grand plot to make us all homosexual or bring on the downfall of society. "Homosexual acts ... make no sense"? Because the organs fit together, does r ape make sense? If a heterosexual couple does not want children, do their sexual acts no longer make sense or is it still OK because they have the organs-fitting-together thing going for them? I hate it when people call their opinions "the truth." Call it your truth, because it certainly isn't mine. God creating feelings in people that he then expects them to ignore? Now that doesn't make sense. It seems like some warped joke that only man could create, not God. My son and I don't go to church anymore. Even though not all churches preach hatred, the institution has come to represent pain. God's name has been used so much to frighten and hurt people. So I keep asking God to please help people like Dr. Laura and Mr. Heaney see and understand what they are doing to God's children so all this can please stop.

-- Mary Olson is a Twins Cities writer.


"God, Sex and Justice"
A sermon by Dr. George F. Regas

November 11, 1990

All Saints Episcopal Church Pasadena, California

"God, Sex, and Justice" is the title of this sermon. God and justice—we certainly know they belong together. But God and sex— and in church? It may be a puzzle to some because we have been the lifelong recipients of double messages. "Sex is good and beautiful, but let's not talk about it in church." Or, "Sex is dirty. Save it for someone you love!" I never have understood how that works! Years ago the psychologist Carl Jung observed that religion and sexuality were closely intertwined. When people brought to him religious questions, they turned out to be sexual issues. And when they came with sexual questions, they turned out to be religious ones. At conscious and unconscious levels our spirituality and our sexuality are very much intertwined. By spirituality, I mean all of the external, ritualistic forms that help to connect us to God, the creator. I mean also the informal ways we forge a union between our own spirit and the divine spirit, and live in God, the lover. It is a journey into God who is the ultimate power and meaning in our lives. It is the recognition that it is God in whom we live and move and have our existence. In part, that is what spirituality means. By sexuality I do mean erotic arousal and genital expressions of love. But I mean much more. Sexuality is a basic dimension of human existence. It affects all of our thoughts and feelings and actions. Sexuality is our way of being in the world as female and male persons, and living as bodied persons with the capacity of sensuousness and touch and communion. It is our way of being in the world with certain sexual and affectional orientations. In short, sexuality is our way of being in the world by God's design and creation—created in such a marvelous way that we can be drawn into intimacy and touch and communion. Our sexuality is all of that. During the 1960s we experienced a sexual revolution. During the last quarter of a century we have witnessed great changes in the cultural and religious understanding of sex roles, sexual behavior outside of marriage, single parent families, homosexuality, and the explicit ways in which sexual matters are discussed. There was enormous resistance to these changes, but it happened. In 1984 Time magazine did a cover story announcing that the sexual revolution was over. Veterans of the revolution, Time said, were bored and wounded. The one night stand had lost its sheen. Helped along by herpes and AIDS, commitment and intimacy were "in" again, and celibacy was once more a respectable option. There was some evidence that the "me generation" was giving way to the "we generation." There is no question that much of that is true. However, in a deeper sense, the sexual revolution is far from over. Many scholars are saying that never before in the history of the Church has there been so much ferment as there is now on human sexuality. The outpouring of resolutions by national church bodies, the pronouncements by national religious figures trying to reaffirm the traditional values on sexual practice, has been unprecedented. It is a tremendous privilege to be the rector of a church that is willing to live with conflict in its life. One of the things I treasure most about All Saints Church is the fact that we have not shied away from trying to deal with the tough, controversial questions of the contemporary world. It has been hard work, but we've tried to face these issues openly, gracefully and honestly. I love that about you. This morning I want to engage you on a difficult issue. Among many ethicists whom I respect there is the growing conviction that human sexuality is the test case for communities of faith in our time. These complex issues of sexuality are placed forcefully on the Church's agenda: full equality and justice for women, abortion rights, sexual love outside of marriage, and the most controversial of them all, homosexuality. William S. Coffin, formerly the senior minister of Riverside Church in New York City and a leading prophetic voice in American churches, says the issue of homosexuality is probably the most divisive issue since slavery split the Church. The mandate of Amos and the prophets, and the imperative of Jesus and the Church to seek social justice will not allow us to forget the fact that discrimination and oppression continue against millions of gay and lesbian people in the structures of society, as well as within the Church. We must address that injustice. My case has four dimensions to it. I. We of the Jewish Christian heritage are a people of the Book. So what does the Bible say about homosexuality? Many of the people who condemn and reject gay men and lesbians and want to deal with them punitively read the Bible with a selective literalism. I just read a recent article by the Chaplain of the United States Senate where he called homosexual practice an aberration and abomination—and quoted scripture to show how sinful and perverse such behavior is.

It is true that there is a passage in the book of Leviticus in the Jewish Bible that does call a man lying down with another man an abomination. But I want to point out that the Leviticus law also used the word abomination in reference to other behaviors as well: eating pork, misuse of incense, sexual intercourse during the menstrual period, and wearing clothing of mixed fabric. Selective literalism always gets us in trouble!

The television evangelists are always talking about the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, and how homosexuality destroyed the city. I can't imagine any respectable Biblical scholar attributing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah to homosexuality. Yet the words sodomy and sodomite have come to mean the perversity of homosexuality.

I heard a great story about Sodom and Gomorrah. A political scientist, who was also a good lay theologian, opened a speech he was giving in Washington, D.C. in this manner: "Washington is full of sodomites. The Congress of the United States is half full of sodomites. And the President of this country is probably a sodomite." Then he said, "Let me tell you what sodomy means. I will read from the Book of Ezekiel, the sixteenth chapter, the forty-ninth verse: 'This was the sin of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had the pride that goes with food in plenty, comfort, and ease, and yet she never helped the poor in their need.'"

He said, the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was the sin of inhospitality, the sin of hardness of heart in the presence of human need, the sin of injustice, the sin of neglecting the poor. That is the abomination to God. Those are the sodomites. I'm sure he got their attention!

The world in which the Bible was written did not know about the loyal, faithful, tender, non-exploitive loving acts of same-sex couples for whom mutual attraction is part of their given natures.

When the Bible condemns homosexuality, it is speaking about rape, incest, prostitution and cruelty which is also sinful for the heterosexual. And there is not a single word from the lips of Jesus about homosexuality.

The really serious problem for the people of the Book is not how to square homosexuality with certain Biblical passages that appear to condemn it, but rather how to reconcile rejection, prejudice, hostility, and punishment of homosexuality with the unconditional love of Christ.

II.

Homosexuality in the vast majority of cases is a condition that is given and not chosen. From my own reading and personal experience with gay and lesbian persons, I am convinced that at least ninety per cent of homosexuals do not have anything remotely close to a choice in their sexual orientation.

I recognize that a few say they do. Some believe they have freely chosen to be homosexuals and live out that sexual orientation. I respect that position—and honor those people. What do we know about the causes of homosexuality? The exact causes are unknown—but it is increasingly clear that the more we know about heterosexuality the more we will understand homosexuality. It is a continuum. I don't believe a person is absolutely straight or absolutely gay.

I have been guided very substantially in my understanding of homosexuality by the many books of James B. Nelson.1 He is a brilliant theologian who teaches at the United Theological Seminary in Minneapolis. He is recognized as the country's leading ethicist on human sexuality.

According to Dr. Nelson, we cannot say with any precision what causes homosexuality. It is likely to be an interaction of several factors, including genetic, hormonal and environmental. But psychological and social influences alone probably cannot cause homosexuality. He writes that the genetic, hormonal, neurological predisposition toward homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual orientation is present at birth for all people. But it takes the blending of various factors—and no one seems to be quite sure how—in the earliest years of a child's life to produce a lasting sexual

orientation in that person. Once that is relatively fixed—and the research now says this is between two and five years of age—this sexual research now says this is between two and five years of age—this sexual orientation cannot be changed permanently by therapy. Many gay and lesbian people tell us horror stories of how parents, upon hearing that their child was homosexual, sent them off to a psychiatrist "to be fixed." The dehumanization of that process is overwhelming.

To deny or repress or hide one's sexuality is bad theology and bad psychology. The only healthy thing to do is accept oneself and affirm one's sexuality.

Without self acceptance one cannot possibly live responsibly. But for gay and lesbian people that is a gigantic struggle. They have frequently been told by their families that they don't belong to them, by the Church that they are perverse and desperate sinners because of their sexual orientation, by the medical profession that they are sick and abnormal, and by the Supreme Court of the land that they are criminals.

How have gay and lesbian people withstood such an onslaught? I am amazed to see such health and stability in the homosexual community.

At the core of the Christian faith is the simple and profound assertion: God loves you just as you are. In the Gospel the first and last word is grace. Grace means you don't have to become something before you are loved by God. It is offered free. You can't buy it or earn it or deserve it. All you can do is receive it. That unconditional love and generous acceptance are not marginal to our religion.

They are central to our belief. This radical acceptance is of the total person—body, mind and spirit. James Nelson says that once we allow this radical grace to penetrate and we accept the body as loved by God—we begin to reclaim the lost sexual dimensions of ourselves.

Grace is total acceptance. Our body's feelings, our body's erogenous dimensions, our fantasies, our masculinity and femininity, our heterosexuality, our homosexuality, our sexual irresponsibilities as well as our yearnings for sexual integrity—all of this is graciously accepted by divine love.

That is the wonder and glory of the Christian faith. When we know God loves us just as we are and we put our arms around ourselves in acceptance and self love, there is released in us enormous spiritual power —power to grow into wholeness, into that beautiful person God has created us to be.

III.

I want to move on and share with you my belief that genital expressions of homosexual love can be holy and good. The National Episcopal Church, along with other mainline denominations, as well as the Roman Catholic Church, have said that gay and lesbian persons are welcome. Their presence and service in the Church are valued. But they must remain celibate.

The Episcopal bishops recently by a very narrow vote disassociated themselves from an ordination to the priesthood of a man who is a practicing homosexual. By a vote of 78 to 74, Bishop John Spong of Newark was censured by his colleagues for this ordination. And a couple of years ago the Episcopal House of Bishops reiterated the Church's belief in the traditional values that say genital expressions of love are permitted only for heterosexual couples within the bonds of marriage.

I strongly reject these positions of my Church. Yes, celibacy is an option to be honored when voluntarily chosen for positive reasons. Often celibacy is chosen not because genital love is intrinsically wrong but rather because celibacy is for this person the best way to express a vocational commitment or the best path into sexual integrity. I know many people who have chosen celibacy in whom this commitment is a beautiful quality. It should be supported.

But celibacy is not the only valid homosexual lifestyle for Christians. Every human being has a God-given right to sexual love and intimacy—a right to be lived out in a way that is compatible with the spirit of Christ.

John J. McNeill was a Jesuit for nearly forty years before being expelled from the Society of Jesus in 1987 for his views on gay and lesbian sexuality. His books have helped illumine my journey. Father McNeill writes that only a sadistic God would create millions of human beings who are homosexuals and then deny them the right to sexual intimacy. He says before he believed in such a sadistic God he would choose to believe the Roman Catholic Church is wrong about homosexual activity. And they kicked him out!

After much study, reflection and struggle, I have come to believe that the ethical standards for sexual practice are the same for homosexuals as for heterosexuals. The core issue for sexual ethics is not the assessment of certain types of physical acts as right or wrong, normal or abnormal. The core issue is not whether genital love is within or outside of heterosexual marriage. The pivotal issue is the integrity of the relationship. This is true for us all. Gay men and lesbians desire and need deep, lasting relationships just as much as I do. And they should not be denied genital expressions of that loving communion.

We must boldly proclaim that it is not the legality of marriage that determines the morality of sexual love. Is sex in marriage right and good? It all depends. We know there is lots of sexual abuse in marriage, so much bargaining within the bedroom scene, lots of impersonal sex, much deception and deep sexual alienation that produces violence. You can't tell the goodness of a sexual act just by looking at the external appearance. You must know the inner meaning and deep quality that act is expressing. So the ethic is authentic love for all of us. What is a good sexual act? It is honest and real--clearly conveying what the relationship really means, what its deepest meaning is.

It is other-enriching, respecting the other person, never exploiting. It is faithful-- "tonight's pleasures are not tomorrow's pain." It reveals a commitment, a trust, a tenderness for the other person. It is willing to take responsibility for sexual love's consequences—personal and social. Good sex connects us to the building of a good society. It is liberating, life-giving, joyous, fun, easy, ecstatic, fantastic. And it resists all cruelty, all exploitation, all impersonalization. This kind of ethic for sexual behavior is appropriate, I believe, for both gay and straight Christians.

IV   I want to share another conviction I have on homosexuality. I have come to the place in my own thinking that I now believe I should bless the covenant of same-sex couples.

There has been a strong theme in Jewish Christian thought that procreation was the justification for sex. This began to change in the seventeenth century. Some Puritans, Anglicans and Quakers began to teach a different understanding of the Bible. They preached that God's main purpose in creating us as sexual creatures was not to make babies but to make love. Loving intimacy is the primary goal of sex. If children come, it is only an added blessing. They are not the primary reason for marriage. The reason is love and commitment. We all know that such an ethical position has had a difficult struggle in the councils of the Church. Over the years I have gotten acquainted with some wonderful gay and lesbian people. They have been my friends and have gently led me on my journey. I've seen goodness and holiness and beauty and love in these people. Nothing in me could ever see their lives as sinful and perverse. They have been the instruments of grace for this community of faith. At least ten per cent of this congregation are gay and lesbian persons. There are more who have children and friends and colleagues who are homosexuals. We have all learned so much by the willingness of these people to share with us.

The holy spirit is speaking to this congregation in and through the experience of gay and lesbian Christians. Our ministry with persons with AIDS has brought me into contact with some extraordinary people. I've seen remarkable love between persons with AIDS and their lovers. I've witnessed such tenderness and fidelity, such affection and care and deep respect to the last breath. I've seen the holy God at work in their relationship.

I know many same-sex couples in this congregation. Some of them I know up close and down deep. I'm convinced, without any question, of the integrity and goodness of their relationship. I believe I should bless those unions if the request is made. Even though the National Episcopal Church says no to the blessing of same-sex covenants, I feel God is calling me and this great parish into a new place. I've come to believe that not to be willing to bless a relationship that is committed to the same standards of love and lasting fidelity as heterosexuals is to say in effect to a same-sex couple that whatever their relationship is, it is not "fit" for public Christian affirmation, support and celebration. We should not be in such a place in this Christian community. The blessing of a same-sex covenant is the clearest symbol the Church can offer that these precious children of God are fully accepted into the life of the congregation. 

Don't ever underestimate the power of healing such an act would bring. When we bless a union of a homosexual couple, I believe this is what we are saying: the church sees goodness in you and your love for each other; we recognize your intention to share that love for a lifetime; the church wants to bless you on your journey and sustain you when the way is difficult; we cheer you on your way and hope for your success; and we shall rejoice in your victories and weep for your failures. That is where I want us to be. Even though I've been too long in coming to this position, we will not jump into a radical policy. I want us to struggle, gay and straight together, to discern the best way to move on this decision.

I certainly recognize we are not all at the same place. We need to share how we feel, our fears and our hopes, as we plan this important act of justice for gay and lesbian persons. But it is for us all. Sexuality is vitally important to the dignity of each one of us. The issue isn't about "them" but about all of us. I'm confident that the more I live in the radical grace of God and trust myself, body and soul, to this loving God the more steadily I will travel on this adventure.

After a long pilgrimage I'm solidly committed to bless same-sex covenants, but I want to listen to you and make our way together as a parish. I look forward to that day when gay men and lesbians will be embraced fully and unconditionally in love with justice. And once more in this church those famous words of the prophet Amos will mark our corporate life:

Let justice flow on like a river and righteousness like a never failing stream. [Amos 5:24]
Amen

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1 James B. Nelson's books: Embodiment: An Approach to Sexuality and Christian Theology. (Augsburg Publishing House, 1978.)
The Intimate Connection: Male Sexuality and Masculine
Spirituality. (Westminister Press, 1988.)
Between Two Gardens: Reflections on Sexuality and Religious
Experience. (Pilgrim Press, 1983)

2 John J. McNeill's books: The Church and the Homosexual. (Beacon Press, 1988)
Taking a Chance on God: Liberating Theology for Gays,
Lesbians, and Their Lovers, Families and Friends. (Beacon Press, 1988)

Sunday, February 18, 2001

 Preached at FUMC by Rev. Dr. Kathlyn R. James

Texts: Luke 12:54-57 I Corinthians 3:21 - 4:5

Last August, we had a Sunday in church called "Burning Questions," in  which I responded, on an impromptu basis, to written questions from the  congregation. At that time, I also promised that I would plan to preach an entire sermon  on each of the "top three" questions submitted on that day. I have already  preached on two of those questions, "How can we know the will of God for our  lives?" and "Where is God in the midst of suffering and evil?" Now this morning we  come to the question that was asked more often than any other, which is: "How  should a Christian regard homosexuality?"

 It's not surprising that this question should be at the top of your list.  As most of you know, it has been the subject of rancorous debate in the United  Methodist Church for the past thirty years. At our most recent General Conference,  the debate was so painful that there was talk of the denomination splitting  over this issue. And for the first time in a hundred years, the United Methodist  Church is even holding what can only be called heresy trials, in which pastors are  being expelled for disagreeing with the ruling that gay and lesbian Christians  should be excluded from the full life and ministry of the church.

As your pastor, I know very well that homosexuality is a difficult subject among us. It is an issue on which, as Christian people, we have diverse  opinions and often very complex feelings. But I also know that this is not just a  political question: it is also intensely personal. There are parents sitting here  this morning who are wondering why their child is gay, and if anyone else has struggled  with this. There are gay and lesbian Christians who are active members of this  church, but who live in the closet because they don't want to lose their jobs,  their homes, or your friendship and respect. There are teenagers here who have  contemplated suicide because they suspect they might be gay. Each of us here has our  own background and confusion about this issue. It is time we talked about it.  My goal, this morning, is simply to open the conversation.

And here's my thought: what's the best way to open a conversation? It's  not by presenting a logical line of argument. That's how you begin a debate!  The best way to start a conversation, in which you want others to share freely and  no perspective to be silenced, is simply to speak from your heart, out of  your own experience. So let me simply share with you, this morning, at least part  of my own journey around this issue. In the months ahead, and beginning with  the "dialogue" time immediately following church today, I invite you to do the  same.

I grew up in an atmosphere of traditional values. My family belonged to a Congregational church in which, week after week, I absorbed a basically  mainline Christian theology that emphasized the love of God for all people. I was  taught that the most important thing in life is to love God, and to love our  neighbors as ourselves.

 In that environment, oddly enough, I don't remember one word ever being spoken about homosexuality. I don't even know when I first heard the term  -- probably not before high school. When I did, it was not with any heavy overlay of negativity--and in this, I have come to realize, my experience is different from many people's. I did not grow up being told that  homosexuality was shameful or sordid; I never had a bad experience such as being  molested by a person of my own gender. Only as an adult do I realize what a huge impact  such early experiences have in shaping people's attitudes toward homosexuality.

In fact, I had never met a homosexual person, as far as I knew, even into  my twenties. This combination of influences meant that my attitude was  pretty much "live-and-let-live." I didn't see how it hurt anyone, or how it threatened  me, if two people of the same sex wanted to love each other and live together. What  was the big deal?

It wasn't until seminary, when I was thirty years old, that the issue acquired a human face for me. Her name was Sally. I was a commuting  student at Vancouver School of Theology, with a job and a husband and three  children in Seattle. I drove up to Vancouver on Mondays and came home on Wednesdays,  so I needed a place to stay two nights a week. Sally had a studio apartment  on campus that she was willing to share in return for prorated rent. Over the next  three years, Sally and I became fast friends.

I had never met anyone like Sally. For one thing, she was much more  disciplined in her spiritual life than I was. She got up at 5:00 every  morning, which I thought of as an ungodly hour, and left the apartment for a walk or a bike ride,  during which she would pray. She bought all her clothes at Goodwill and had only five  changes of clothing, and two pairs of shoes, in the closet. She spent several  days a week volunteering in a soup kitchen downtown. She kept a prayer journal.  Basically, she put me to shame.

 But the most appealing thing about Sally was that she loved God. She  laughed easily, loved life, loved people, was funny and fun. One night, as we  were going to bed--each of us in a single bed against the wall, our heads in the corners  and our feet toward each other--she asked if I wanted to pray. I had never prayed  with another person before--at least, not like that, opening our inner lives  before God, in each other's presence--and at first I was halting and shy. But over  time we made a habit of praying together, and it was in the course of those years  of praying, of being as honest with ourselves as possible in the presence of  God, that Sally came out to herself as gay.

 It was no problem for me that Sally was discovering this--and I have to  add here, that like most people, Sally discovered her sexual orientation; it  wasn't something she decided. (Isn't that true for you, that your sexual  orientation is something that just seems "given"?) It wasn't as if Sally woke up one  morning and thought, "All things being equal, I think I'd like to be a member of a  despised minority." It was more a process of discovering and owning the truth about  her make-up as a human being.

 But I soon learned what a traumatic discovery that would be. Sally came  out first to herself before God, then to her family, then to the seminary,  then to the church. I accompanied her in that process. When the Presbyterian church  kicked her out of the ordination process, I was stricken: how could they say  that Sally was not qualified to be a pastor? She was the best student in her class,  and a better Christian than I ever expect to be. I knew that she had been  gifted and called to the ministry. Then Sally was fired from her job as the Youth  Director at a church, because someone sent the pastor a letter saying that she was  gay. All I could think at the time was: this is absurd. Sally is great with those  kids; why would people assume she is not safe to work with them? Why did they think  a heterosexual man or woman would be safer?

Things came to a head for me, one morning, when I was standing in the kitchen, pouring a glass of orange juice, and listening to Sally cry her  eyes out on the bed. She often did, in those days. Finally I went over to her,  sat on the edge of the bed, and began to stroke her hair. I was filled with  helpless rage at the world, and fierce tenderness for my friend. I heard myself  saying, "Sally, I don't know what being gay is. But if it's part of who you are,  and if God made you this way, I say I'm glad you are who you are, and I love who you are, and I wouldn't want you to be any different."

 As soon as those words were out of my mouth, I realized something. I had taken a stand. I knew where I stood on this issue. Sally did not deserve  to be despised and rejected; it was the church that was wrong.

After seminary I was appointed to serve Wallingford United Methodist  Church in Seattle, which had decided some years earlier to become a "reconciling congregation"---that is, a congregation that publicly states it is open  and affirming toward all people, regardless of sexual orientation. From that  point on, my learning curve was steep. One of my first pastoral calls was to a  young man who had just slit his wrists with a razor blade. He explained that he  was a Christian and couldn't deny it, that he was also gay and couldn't deny  that either, even though he had tried. He had been told he couldn't be both.  His father had called him "human garbage." He was not fit to live. All I  could do, in response, was to get down on my knees and ask for forgiveness for the church, for communicating to this young man that he was beyond the reach  of God's love.

 In the five years that followed, I had many such experiences. I had young men with AIDS look up at me with hollow eyes and ask, "Do you think I am an abomination?" I sat with young men calling for their parents as they died, parents who never came. These experiences had a profound  impact on me. I kept going back, in my mind, to my earliest Christian training:  the message that God loves everyone, and that Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself. He didn't say, "Love your neighbor, unless he or she happens  to be homosexual." He never said one word about homosexuality at all.

 Jesus spent his whole life going to the poor, the marginalized, the  persons who were called unclean by their society, and demonstrating that God's  love included them. He treated them with compassion and respect. His own harshest words were for the Pharisees who believed that they were righteous in God's eyes, that others were not, and that God's judgments  and opinions were identical to their own.

 Which brings me to the question of what the Bible has to say about homosexuality. There is not time, this morning, to take up that question in depth. But let me just say a few things here. The word "homosexual"  does not appear anywhere in the Bible--the word was not invented, in any language, until the 1890's, when for the first time the awareness  developed that there are people with a constitutional orientation toward their own  sex.

 In the whole Bible, there are only 7 brief passages that deal with homosexual behavior. The first is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, which is actually irrelevant to the issue. The attempted gang rape in Sodom has nothing to say about whether or not genuine love expressed between consenting adults of the same gender is legitimate. Neither does the passage in Deuteronomy 23, which refers to Canaanite fertility rites that have infiltrated Jewish worship. Passages in I Corinthians and I  Timothy refer to male prostitution.

Two often-quoted passages prohibiting male homosexual behavior are found in the book of Leviticus. Leviticus also stipulates that any man who  touches a woman during her menstrual period is to be stoned to death, that adulterers are to be executed, that interracial marriage is sinful, that parents may kill a disobedient child, that two types of cloth are not to  be worn together, and certain foods must never be eaten. I know of no  Christians, no matter how fundamentalist, who believe that Christians are bound to  obey all of the Levitical laws. Instead we are driven to ask deeper questions  about how to rightly interpret Scripture, how to separate the Word of God  from cultural norms and prejudices--that is, how to separate the Message from  the envelope in which it comes.

The final Biblical text that deals with homosexuality is found in Paul's letter to the Romans, in which he condemns homosexual behavior. The background for his understanding is the Roman practice of older males "keeping" young boys for sexual exploitation, which he was right to  condemn.

But even if this were not the case, even if Paul knew about and condemned all forms of homosexual behavior, even the most loving, what then? Paul also told women not to teach, not to cut their hair, and not to speak in church. Do we follow his teaching? He told slaves to obey their  masters not once but five times--are we prepared to say today, as Southern slave owners argued 150 years ago, that slavery is God's will?

 The fact is, I am not a disciple of Paul. I am an admirer of Paul, but a disciple of Jesus Christ. Paul himself says that we should not follow  him, but Christ alone. So I come back, again, to the life and teaching of Jesus as the center of my faith. In that light all other biblical teaching must be critiqued. There are seven passages about homosexual behavior in the Bible, all of them debatable as to their meaning for us today. There are thousands of references in the Bible that call us, as  Jesus commands, to love our neighbor, to work for peace and reconciliation  among all people, and to leave judgment to God.

While I was pastor at Wallingford, I put biblical and intellectual foundations under my "heart" experience of knowing Sally. In those years I also came to appreciate and enjoy a community in which both gay and straight Christians could worship together, serve on the Trustees, sing in the choir--simply be human together, trying to grow in the capacity to love God and neighbor without fear.

 As a result, when you ask me, "How should a Christian regard  homosexuality?" my answer today is: as part of the God-given make-up of human beings, a variable in the spectrum of human possibilities. I may be wrong, and I ask God's forgiveness if I am. But I don't believe that sexual  orientation has anything to do with morality, any more than being blond or tall or left-handed does. Homosexuals as well as heterosexuals can be involved in sexual sin, including promiscuity, infidelity and abuse. And homosexuals as well as heterosexuals can love one another with  faithfulness, tenderness, and integrity. The same standards of moral behavior should apply to all Christians, straight and gay. This is what my life experience, and my experience as a pastor, has led me to believe.

When a homosexual couple comes to meet with me in my office, then, and  asks, "Will we be accepted in this church?" I can answer: "I will accept you." But I can only speak for myself. What shall I say on behalf of our whole congregation?

Shall I say, "Yes, you will be accepted here, as long as you aren't open about who you are and who you love?" Shall I say, "Yes, you will be  accepted here, but you may not serve in any leadership positions?" Shall I say, "Yes, you will be accepted here, but whatever you do, don't hold hands in church. Only heterosexual couples are allowed to do that." Shall I just say, "No"?

Or perhaps, simply, "Yes"?

Amen.